Our Lady of the Roses or Bayside Prophecies, Apparitions, Teachings and Heresies
Our Lady of the Roses or the Bayside Prophecies or Apparitions, or simply Bayside, is the name for a supposed visitation of Our Blessed Lady, Our Lord and St. Therese to Veronica Lueken in Bayside, New York (Brooklyn Diocese) beginning in the late 1960s until her death in 1995.
She attracted a following, which came to the grounds where the New York World's Fair had been held in 1964. There were alleged phenomena there, claimed miraculous healings and a constant stream of new revelations, including a new title for Mary, "Our Lady of the Roses, Help of Mothers".
The messages allegedly received by Veronica were accompanied by prodigies and signs that were witnessed by many at the Bayside apparition site. Below is a picture from the grounds at Bayside, in which there appears to be a miraculous sign of grace in the area of Veronica Lueken's head. Apparently there are thousands of such pictures from the grounds at Bayside.
A sign at Bayside, but not a sign from Heaven
In this article, we will prove beyond doubt that all the so called apparitions, miracles and prophecies at Bayside are hoaxes made by the Devil with the intention to lead souls astray. A true apparition from Our Lady cannot contain heresies, but Bayside contains numerous condemned heresies, as we will see.
What about Bayside?
Question: The apparitions look tradition-based in my opinion. I know that as a mere nobody, I cannot judge them, but don't they look traditional?
Answer: The Bayside apparitions are false, erroneous and heretical for several reasons, as we will see.
“Saint Theresa” at Bayside:
“Saint Theresa” of Bayside, May of 1969: “In the distant heavens, there lived a most loving Spirit. First there was God, a God of love. Knowing love must be shared to be the fullest joy, He sort of subdivided Himself into a Family. For once even a spirit must share life eternal to reach the fullest degree of peace and joy. For love is in giving. He gave Himself to beget a Son and Holy Spirit.” (May 1969 claimed message)
This is a serious theological error and heresy on the subject of the Trinity. It is contrary to the teaching of the Church to claim that God existed before the Trinity existed, and that God brought the Trinity into existence by subdividing himself. Catholic teaching is that God is and always has been the Trinity (Father-Son-Spirit).
Pope Saint Dionysius, Letter to Dionysius of Alexandria 1–2, A.D. 262: “. . . . the divine Trinity must be gathered up and brought together in one, a summit, as it were, I mean the omnipotent God of the universe. . . . It is blasphemy, then, and not a common one but the worst, to say that the Son is in any way a handiwork [creature]. . . . But if the Son came into being [was created], there was a time when these attributes did not exist; and, consequently, there was a time when God was without them, which is utterly absurd.”
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra: “. . . . the Catholic faith is this, that we worship one God in the Trinity, and the Trinity in unity; neither confounding the persons, nor dividing the substance; for there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Spirit, their glory is equal, their majesty coeternal… and in this Trinity there is nothing first or later, nothing greater or less, BUT ALL THREE PERSONS ARE COETERNAL AND COEQUAL WITH ONE ANOTHER, so that in every respect, as has already been said above, both unity in Trinity, and Trinity in unity must be worshipped. Therefore let him who wishes to be saved, think thus concerning the Trinity.”
More from “Our Lady” at Bayside:
“Our Lady” of Bayside, August 14, 1979: “Do not judge your brothers and sisters who have not been converted. For My Father’s House, My Son has repeated over and over, remember always – that in My Father’s House, there are many rooms in the Mansion, signifying faiths and creeds.” “Our Lady of the Roses” (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, published by Apostles of Our Lady, Inc. Lansing, MI, 1993, p. 81.
The above quote contradicts the declarations of the Church:
Pope Leo XII, Ubi Primum (# 14), May 5, 1824: “It is impossible for the most true God, who is Truth itself, the best, the wisest Provider, and the Rewarder of good men, to approve all sects who profess false teachings which are often inconsistent with one another and contradictory, and to confer eternal rewards on their members… by divine faith we hold one Lord, one faith, one baptism… This is why we profess that there is no salvation outside the Church.”
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the Devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
The Bayside Message contradicts what Catholics must hold by divine faith, that there is only one faith that leads to heaven, the Catholic Faith, outside of which there is no salvation. The many mansions in the Father’s house that Our Lord refers to in the Gospel represent different rewards for Catholics who die in the state of grace.
More from “Our Lord” at Bayside:
“Our Lord” of Bayside, August 21, 1985: “My children – three figures with great power, who are planning the fate of your Vicar [John Paul II]. You must warn him to be clear of those about him. When he reads their writings he will understand. However, We also ask that he spend less time in going to and fro across the nations, for he makes it doubly difficult for Us to protect him. Pray a constant vigilance of prayer. You have a good and holy Father now in Rome, but should he be removed there will come disaster.” Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 103.
To claim that Christ would say that the Holy Trinity, Who is all powerful and all knowing, would have a difficulty in protecting a person wherever he may be is heretical and blasphemous, and it is to place limits on the omnipotence of God. These words are clearly from the Devil. Not to mention that “Pope” John Paul II was the absolute worst of the Vatican II antipopes when it came to religious indifferentism, a pure heretic.
Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council I, Sess. 3, Chap. 1, On God the creator of all things: “Everything that God has brought into being He protects and governs by His providence, which reaches from one end of the earth to the other and orders all things well. All things are open and laid bare before His eyes, even those which will be brought about by the free activity of creatures.” Denzinger 1784.
God’s providence and power extend from one end of the earth to the other. It’s not hard for Him to do anything. The statement of Bayside not only contradicts Vatican I, but also the Gospel. Our Lord tells His Apostles that He could instantly have more than 12 legions of angels (Mt. 26:53) from His Father, if He asked for them. But according to Bayside, it makes it difficult on God if you travel. This is just one example of many which proves that there is outrageous heresy and error in the Bayside Message.
While God allows the Devil to work false signs at these apparition sites, at the same time He allows (or even forces) the Devil to make major mistakes, so that those who really want the truth can see that the message is a deception of the Devil.
The above message also tells us that John Paul II was “good.” This is arguably the worst part of the Bayside Message. John Paul II praised all the different false religions of the world and taught that we shouldn’t convert non-Catholics, as the file on The Heresies of John Paul II documents. John Paul II was an evil, Christ-rejecting heretic. Through Veronica Lueken, the Devil wanted to convince people that a man who preached a new Gospel, promoted idolatry and religious indifferentism was actually “good.”
John Paul II at Assisi, 1986, at an ecumenical gathering which Pope Pius XI condemned as apostasy in Mortalium Animos
In his Jan. 6, 1928 encyclical Mortalium Animos Pope Pius XI specifically condemned Catholic participation in interreligious prayer meetings as apostasy. He taught that those who favor this activity have abandoned the Catholic religion.
Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (# 2), Jan. 6, 1928: “For since they [who seek to unite] hold it for certain that men destitute of all religious sense are very rarely to be found, they seem to have founded on that belief a hope that the nations, although they differ among themselves in certain religious matters, will without much difficulty come to agree as brethren in professing certain doctrines, which form as it were a common basis of the spiritual life. For which reason conventions, meetings and addresses are frequently arranged by these persons, at which a large number of listeners are present, and at which all without distinction are invited to join in the discussion, both infidels of every kind, and Christians, even those who have unhappily fallen away from Christ or who with obstinacy and pertinacity deny His divine nature and mission. Certainly such attempts can nowise be approved by Catholics, founded as they are on that false opinion which considers all religions to be more or less good and praiseworthy, since they all in different ways manifest and signify that sense which is inborn in us all, and by which we are led to the obedient acknowledgment of His rule. Not only are those who hold this opinion in error and deceived, but also in distorting the idea of true religion they reject it, and little by little, turn aside to naturalism and atheism, as it is called; from which it clearly follows that one who supports those who hold these theories and attempt to realize them, is altogether abandoning the divinely revealed religion.”
He also said: “So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics.” (Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos # 10)
But, as we have already seen, Antipope John Paul II (as have the other antipopes) has been involved in numerous interreligious prayer meetings.
John Paul II at the Buddhist Temple
In his second Asian journey in 1984, John Paul II visited the Buddhist Temple. Before reaching the Temple, he expressed how anxious he was to meet “His Holiness, the supreme Buddhist Patriarch in the Temple.” A few days before going to the Buddhist Temple, John Paul II also said:
John Paul II, May 6, 1984: "…the world looks to Korea with particular interest. For the Korean people throughout history have sought, in the great ethical and religious visions of Buddhism and Confucianism, the path to renewal of self… May I address a particular greeting to the members of the Buddhist tradition as they prepare to celebrate the festivity of the Coming of the Lord Buddha? May your rejoicing be complete and your joy fulfilled."16
John Paul II then went into the temple of idolatry and bowed to the Buddhist Patriarch who stood in front of a gigantic statue of Buddha. This constitutes an act of apostasy.
John Paul II in the Buddhist Temple
John Paul II, General Audience, Jan. 11, 1995: “I gladly take this occasion to assure those who follow the Buddhist religion of my deep respect and sincere esteem.”17
Pope Leo XIII, Dec. 8, 1892: “Everyone should avoid familiarity or friendship with anyone suspected of belonging to masonry or to affiliated groups. Know them by their fruits and avoid them. Every familiarity should be avoided, not only with those impious libertines who openly promote the character of the sect, but also with those who hide under the mask of universal tolerance, respect for all religions...”18
John Paul II's Apostasy in Assisi
On Oct. 27, 1986, John Paul II invited the major leaders of all the false religions of the world to come to Assisi, Italy for a World Day of Prayer for Peace. John Paul II prayed with over 100 different religious leaders of various false religions, thereby repudiating the teaching of Scripture and the 2000-year teaching of the Catholic Church which outlaws such prayer with false religions.
The entire day of prayer with the pagans, infidels and heretics was John Paul II's idea. During this meeting the Dalai Lama placed a Buddhist statue on the tabernacle in the church of St. Francis.
The Statue of Buddha on the Tabernacle at Assisi
Among the various false religious leaders at Assisi there were rabbis, Islamic muftis, Buddhist monks, Shintoists, assorted Protestant ministers, Animists, Jainists and others.
During the meeting, a member of each false religion came forward and offered a prayer for peace – blasphemous prayers, for instance, as the Hindu prayer said: “Peace be on all gods.” (The Animist leader prayed to the “Great Thumb.”) But their gods are devils, as we saw above, so peace was being prayed for all the devils (who created these false religions) at the Vatican- sponsored World Day of Prayer for Peace! The Vatican II religion wants you to be in communion with devils.
In 1928, Pope Pius XI authoritatively condemned this inter-religious activity and denounced it as apostasy from the true Faith.
Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (# 2), Jan. 6, 1928: “For which reason conventions, meetings and addresses are frequently arranged by these persons, at which a large number of listeners are present, and at which all without distinction are invited to join in the discussion, both infidels of every kind, and Christians, even those who have unhappily fallen away from Christ or who with obstinacy and pertinacity deny His divine nature and mission. Certainly such attempts can nowise be approved by Catholics, founded as they are on that false opinion which considers all religions to be more or less good and praiseworthy, since they all in different ways manifest and signify that sense which is inborn in us all, and by which we are led to the obedient acknowledgment of His rule. Not only are those who hold this opinion in error and deceived, but also in distorting the idea of true religion they reject it, and little by little, turn aside to naturalism and atheism, as it is called; from which it clearly follows that one who supports those who hold these theories and attempt to realize them, is altogether abandoning the divinely revealed religion.”
Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (# 10): “So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non- Catholics…”23
John Paul II, Angelus Address, Oct. 12, 1986: “In a few days we shall go to Assisi, representatives of the Catholic Church, of other Christian Churches and ecclesial communities, and of the great religions of the world... I issued this invitation to ‘believers of all religions.’”24
John Paul II, Redemptoris Missio (# 55), Dec. 7, 1990: “ God… does not fail to make himself present in many ways, not only to individuals but also to entire peoples through their spiritual riches, of which their religions are the main and essential expression…”25
Here again we find a clear expression of John Paul II’s apostasy. He says that God makes Himself present through the spiritual riches of peoples, of which their religions are the main expression. This means that God makes Himself present to peoples through non-Christian religions, which means that non-Christian religions are true and inspired by God.
Pope Pius VIII, May 24, 1829: “Against these experienced sophists the people must be taught that the profession of the Catholic faith is uniquely true, as the apostle proclaims: one Lord, one faith, one baptism.”26
John Paul II, Address, May 22, 2002: “Praise to you, followers of Islam… Praise to you, Jewish people… Praise especially to you, Orthodox Church…”27
Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (# 13), Aug. 15, 1832: “They should consider the testimony of Christ Himself that ‘those who are not with Christ are against Him,’ and that they disperse unhappily who do not gather with Him. Therefore, ‘without a doubt, they will perish forever, unless they hold the Catholic faith whole and inviolate.’”28
John Paul II, Redemptoris Missio (#10), Dec. 7, 1990: “The universality of salvation means that it is granted not only to those who explicitly believe in Christ and have entered the Church.”29
Pope St. Pius X, Acerbo Nimis (# 2), April 15, 1905: “And so Our Predecessor, Benedict XIV, had just cause to write: ‘We declare that a great number of those who are condemned to eternal punishment suffer that everlasting calamity because of ignorance of those mysteries of faith which must be known and believed in order to be numbered among the elect.’”
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, dogmatic Athanasian Creed, 1439: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity… But it is necessary for eternal salvation that he faithfully believe also in the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ...”30
John Paul II’s other ecumenical meetings
John Paul II continued with his wild program of apostasy, totally condemned by the teaching of the Catholic Church, after the Assisi event. John Paul II sponsored pagan prayer meetings at Kyoto (1987), Rome (1988), Warsaw (1989), Bari (1990), and Malta (1991), as well as numerous meetings after 1991.
John Paul II being “blessed” in a pagan ritual by an Indian Shaman in 1987 
There was the outrageous pagan prayer meeting in 1999, which was officially dubbed “The Pan-Christian Encounter,” at which a large gathering of false religions came to the Vatican at the request of John Paul II (more on this in a bit).
John Paul II prayed with African Animists
On August 8, 1985, John Paul II prayed with African Animists (witch doctors). John Paul II recalled the meeting:
“Particularly noteworthy was the prayer meeting at the sanctuary of Our Lady of Mercy at Lake Togo where, for the first time, I also prayed with a group of Animists.”32
It has been stated that while in Togo he actually paid homage to the sacred snakes.
In Cotonou, Africa on Feb. 4, 1993, chanting girls treated John Paul II to a “trance inducing” voodoo dance.
John Paul II has also taken part in many events, both in Rome and abroad, where a native pagan ritual is included. These rituals spring from cultures which are entirely demonic and satanic in every aspect of their organized religious practices, yet were included in many of John Paul II’s liturgical events.
Above: John Paul II’s “Mass” in 2002 in Mexico City, which incorporated the customs of the demonic Aztec culture. Indians danced before the altar wearing headdresses and breastplates and some left their midriffs exposed. As they performed, the snake-like hiss of rattles and the beating of tom-toms could be heard. John Paul II himself was actually the recipient of a pagan “purification” ritual which a woman performed.
The “Pan-Christian” Encounter: John Paul II’s Apostate Prayer Meeting in 1999
Pictured above is John Paul II, surrounded by an assorted group of pagans and idolaters, including one half-dressed, on Nov. 7, 1999 – at another one of his countless apostate interreligious prayer meetings. Notice the masked pagan just behind John Paul II on our left and his right. John Paul II praised them and esteemed them for their false religions of the Devil. This is nothing other than a general occultism.
This meeting was called the “Pan-Christian Encounter.” This is interesting considering that, in his encyclical Mortalium Animos, Pope Pius XI described the heretics who promoted religious indifferentism as “These Pan-Christians…”33 Some of the things that occurred during John Paul II's October 1999 pan-religious meeting included: an American Indian pivoting in the center of St. Peter's Square at sunset “blessing the four corners of the Earth,” and Muslims who had spread out newspaper at the Vatican kneeling toward Mecca and praying.34
Pope Leo X, Fifth Lateran Council, Session 9, May 5, 1514: "Sorcery, by means of enchantments, divinations, superstitions and the invoking of demons, is prohibited by both civil laws and the sanctions of the sacred canons."35
John Paul II’s Assisi II Prayer-Meeting with False Religions– another apostate prayer meeting in 2002
Most recently there was the spectacle of Assisi 2002. On Jan. 24, 2002, John Paul II held another pagan prayer meeting in the city of Assisi, Italy, a repeat of the abominable event that took place in 1986. However, this Assisi meeting may have been even worse.
During the Assisi II prayer meeting, the representative of every false religion involved was allowed to come to the pulpit and give a sermon on world peace. In the presence of John Paul II, a voodoo high priest came to the pulpit outside the Basilica of St. Francis and gave the voodoo prescription for world peace. (Voodooists, remember, are witchdoctors.) Therefore, by John Paul II’s arrangement, from a pulpit outside the historic Basilica of St. Francis, a witchdoctor was allowed to give a sermon and provide his prescription for world peace! This would involve slitting the throats of goats, chickens, doves and pigeons, and draining their blood from their arteries.
The Hindu woman told the entire crowd that everyone is God, as John Paul II looked on. After the Jew, the Buddhist, the Muslim, the Hindu, the witchdoctor and the rest were finished preaching, the various false religious leaders broke up into different rooms to pray to their false gods.
John Paul II had it arranged in advance that each false religion was given a separate room in which to worship the Devil.
All of the crucifixes were removed, and the crucifixes which could not be removed were covered. John Paul II made sure that the infidels, witchdoctors and pagans saw no sign of Jesus Christ.
The Muslims needed a room which faced East toward Mecca, and it was given to them. The Zoroastrians needed a room with a window, so that the smoke from the wood chips that they burned to the Devil could exit through it – and it was given to them. The Jews wanted a room that had never before been blessed; in other words, a room that had never been blessed in the name of Jesus Christ, and John Paul II provided them with one. Greater abomination, blasphemy and rejection of the true God almost cannot be imagined.
The Council of Elvira, A.D. 305: “It has been decreed that those who in adult age after receiving Baptism shall go into the pagan temples to worship idols, which is a deadly crime and the height of wickedness, shall not be admitted to communion even at death.”36
As we see from this regional council, in the early Church going into the pagan temple (which John Paul II did in Thailand) to worship idols was considered the height of wickedness. It represented such apostasy from the Faith that those who even repented of it were only admitted to confession (not Communion). If going into the pagan temple was considered such severe apostasy, what would they say about a purported leader of the Church who turns the Catholic churches themselves into pagan temples so that the pagans can worship false gods in them? They would undoubtedly consider it the height of apostasy.
Pope Pius XI, Ad Salutem (# 27), April 20, 1930: “…all the compulsion and folly, all the outrages and lust, introduced into man’s life by the demons through the worship of false gods.”37
The author of these messages of Bayside also clearly has no idea what will happen when. Repeated claims are made that various events have been delayed. Supposed descriptions of future events are a random jumble of vague descriptions, without order or continuity.
For example, in October 1978, one message says: “I can no longer hold back the terrible Warning and Chastisement.” Yet these things have yet to happen (as I write this in 2014).
An October 1980 message claimed that the tribulation had begun and that “You shall see nations disappear from the earth in seconds.” That was about 34 years ago. Clearly, this message is not true and the author of the messages has no understanding at all of what will happen when in the future.
Bayside’s false prophecy on the market crash:
“Our Lady” of Bayside, June 18, 1988: “Within two years or less, there will be a great crash of the market. The whole world’s monetary systems will be paralyzed. That, My child, is why you had to come this evening to the grounds.” Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 108.)
This never happened.
Bayside’s false prophecy on the ball of redemption:
“Our Lady” of Bayside, June 18, 1988: “Do not be affrighted, My child; you must see this, for it is important. Within this century this Ball will be sent upon mankind… It is almost too late… a Ball that is fast hurtling towards earth! It will be here within this century, if not sooner.” Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 108.
A common characteristic of many of the recent false apparitions is the claim that a ball of redemption will come to crush the earth or much of it. (That is not to say that such a prophecy in itself would be false or wrong, of course.) However, personally, I believe that the Devil’s purpose in promoting this idea today rather than the Vatican II apostasy is to get people to focus on a physical chastisement, rather than on the spiritual deception occurring with the Vatican II sect. Bayside clearly prophesied that this comet/ball of redemption would arrive “within” the 20th century. This never happened, thus proving that the Message of Bayside is false. Further, look at the wording of the message allegedly from “Our Lady.” She supposedly says that this ball would arrive “within this century, if not sooner,” AS IF SHE DOESN’T KNOW. It is not the statement of Our Lady, but the lie of the devil.
When Our Lady communicates, she usually says very little. She expresses herself precisely, and she certainly doesn’t make false prophecies. She is the Queen of Prophets.
Bayside’s false prophecy on the one following John Paul II:
“Our Lady” of Bayside, June 18, 1988: “Please, my children, pray for your Holy Father, the pope. You must not lose him, for the one who comes after him will destroy if he can – he will attempt to destroy Pope John Paul II. Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 108.
This is another false prophecy. The one after John Paul II, who is Benedict XVI, doesn’t try to destroy him, but wants to “canonize” him, and in fact, “beatified” him! Further, the prophecy is inherently contradictory, for how could the one after John Paul II attempt to destroy him when John Paul II will already be dead?
There is more, but that should suffice to show that the apparitions are absolutely false.
Read more: The False Apparitions at Bayside, New York
Question: What are the loopholes in Bayside? - Dear Brethren in Christ; I understand that Bayside is not an authentic apparition. My question is what are the loopholes of Bayside? I read the contents of the bayside apparitions and the messages that Veronica Lueken received, none of them seemed to contravene Scripture and Tradition. In fact, the messages even expose the diabolical infiltration and masonic subversion of the catholic church to the novus ordo harlot church. Please enlighten me on this one. Thank you and may God bless you always.
Answer: Below is copied a section from the book Outside the Catholic Church There is Absolutely No Salvation. This shows that the Bayside message is from the devil. There are many other false statements in Bayside, such as its affirmation that the New Mass is valid; that John Paul II is a good man, etc. The apparently traditional statements in Bayside are put there by the devil to get traditional minded people to read. And once they are reading the devil attempts, in a calculating fashion, to lure these people into an acceptance of the Vatican II sect by mixing certain truths with an acceptance of the false church and the New Mass.
“Our Lady” of Bayside, August 14, 1979: “Do not judge your brothers and sisters who have not been converted. For My Father’s House, My Son has repeated over and over, remember always – that in My Father’s House, there are many rooms in the Mansion, signifying faiths and creeds.”
Our Lady does not contradict infallible dogma and the Chair of St. Peter. To say otherwise is blasphemous heresy. The statement above allegedly from “Our Lady of Bayside,” that in the Father’s House there are many mansions representing many faiths and creeds, is one of the most heretical statements I’ve ever seen. It totally rejects Catholic dogma, which is the teaching of Jesus Christ. This heresy in Bayside totally gives away the Bayside Message as a false apparition of the devil.
Pope Eugene IV, The Athanasian Creed, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.”
The Bayside Message contradicts what Catholics must hold by divine faith, that there is only one faith that leads to heaven, the Catholic Faith, outside of which there is no salvation. The many mansions in the Father’s house that Our Lord refers to in the Gospel represent different rewards for Catholics who die in the state of grace. Those who continue to believe in Bayside and dismiss these facts are following the deception of the devil; they are rejecting the Catholic Faith and leaving the Catholic Church. They are choosing to follow the “Message” of Bayside over the teaching of the Catholic Church. Those who are aware of this heresy and continue to believe in Bayside are not Catholics and not followers of Our Lady, but rather are followers of the deception the devil has set up for them.
And it is sad to say, but for many followers of false apparitions such as Bayside, the false messages become their “dogma” and replace the real dogma defined by the Popes.
THE REAL PURPOSE OF THE FALSE BAYSIDE MESSAGES: STAY IN YOUR PARISH AT THE INVALID NEW MASS AND WITH THE ANTIPOPE
“Our Lady” of Bayside, Aug. 14, 1981, STAY IN YOUR PARISH: “My heart, My Son’s heart has been grieved, as we go about the world… We can see a division bordering on schism… it is promoted by Satan… Do not judge My Son’s House, His Church, by the man, though he is representative – legal, a legal representative of My Son… at the time that My Son comes in the Consecration, He shall not turn aside from you, My Son. Therefore, you cannot say that the Mass is invalid. This has brought great sorrow to Our Hearts, for many left the fold on this matter.” Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 83.
“Our Lady” of Bayside, May 3, 1978, Stay in your parish: “You will all remain in your Parish churches.” Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 83.
Notice the insistence with which the Message tells people to remain at the New Mass!
“Our Lady” of Bayside, Aug. 14, 1981, Stay in your parish: “I have asked you in the past, and I ask and continue to beg you, my children, not to abandon your Vicar in Rome, and not to abandon your parish church.” Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 83.
“Our Lord” of Bayside, Sept. 14, 1986, Traditionalists are being led astray: “We hear all names coming forward to Our ears of churches being born anew, called the Traditional Roman Catholic Church. My child and My children, We need no more Traditionalists running around and creating new churches.” Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 104.
The Devil wants people to stay with the counterfeit Church of the Vatican II sect. He wants people to stay with the invalid New Mass. This is the whole purpose of the Bayside Messages, and many similar false messages. The Devil wants to keep conservative-minded “Catholics” inside the Vatican II parishes, in communion with the new Vatican II religion, and under the manifestly heretical and non-Catholic Vatican II antipopes. In order to accomplish this, the Devil uses false seers such as Veronica Lueken. And in order to be ultra-effective, in the false messages which he gives them he includes conservative statements. These conservative statements – such as encouraging the people to pray the Rosary, wear the scapular, denounce modernism, reject liturgical abuses, etc. – are meant to deceive. All of these things were part of the Bayside messages. Since people receive not the love of the truth (2 Thess. 2), God allows them to be deceived by the false signs that have occurred at these apparition sites.
Sadly, the Devil’s plan has been incredibly effective. We’ve been in contact with many who continue to attend the New Mass – while deploring its abuses, of course, as the Bayside Message instructs them – simply because they believe in Bayside. They won’t hear the Magisterial arguments (arguments from the traditional teaching authority of the Church) which show that the New Mass is no Mass; rather, they just stick with Bayside. They dismiss all the proof that Paul VI, John Paul II and Benedict XVI, Francis etc. weren’t/aren’t even Catholic; they just stick with Bayside. We know entire families who have been raised in the Conciliar religion – for instance, attending both the indult Mass and the New Mass, rather than strictly the Traditional Mass at an independent chapel – simply because they follow Bayside.
Unfortunately, if they remain on their present path it will cost them their salvation, since they have chosen to follow strange voices rather than the truth communicated through the teaching of the Catholic Church. At their judgments, Our Lord will repeat to them what He warned all of us in the Gospel:
Matthew 24:24-25: “Then if any man shall say to you: ‘Lo here is Christ, or there,’ do not believe him. For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Behold I have told it to you, before hand. If therefore they shall say to you: ‘Behold He is in the desert,’ go ye not out: ‘Behold He is in the closets,’ believe it not.”
Below is just one of countless examples that could be given of a “conservative” message that the Devil spiced in among the Bayside messages. The Devil tells them to remain at the Vatican II parish and under the antipope, while also…
“Our Lady” of Bayside, Aug. 14, 1974 – Vatican II: “Satan was present – He listened with careful ears at the Great Council [Vatican II]. He awaited every move, and he placed his agents among you! Recognize and reconstruct your path! You have been deluded.” Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 87.
This tickles the ears of those who know that Vatican II caused the spiritual crisis. So the Devil tells them that there were problems with Vatican II, while keeping them in the very sect that Vatican II created. It’s brilliant. Veronica also said that it was revealed to her that if the Latin Mass were returned the coming chastisement would be averted. Hence, the people are told that the Latin Mass is preferable, but the New Mass is also valid and should not be abandoned.
VERONICA LUEKEN WAS A VOICE-BOX FOR THE DEVIL
“Our Lady” of Bayside, July 25, 1985: “… By the time We had reached you in Bayside, in your home, My Child, We had looked with Theresa a long time for a Veronica… the highest of Heaven approach many souls to be messengers, voice-boxes, for the Eternal Father, through My Son…” Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 102.
Veronica Lueken was chosen and used as a voice-box for the Devil. Her false messages, which contradict Catholic teaching, have had disastrous effects on innumerable souls. For the most part, what is said in this article also applies to the many other false apparitions of the past few decades. It applies to the false apparitions at Medjugorje, which contain clear heresy; it applies to the false apparitions/locutions to Don Gobbi, John Leary, etc., etc., etc. Some of these other apparitions are slightly more conservative, while some of them are slightly more liberal. The Devil has various flavors to appeal to different kinds of people, but they all deliver a false message on the post-Vatican II apostasy. Almost all of them say similar things about John Paul II or the current antipope.
In conclusion, these facts should show us the lengths to which Satan has gone (with God’s permission) to deceive people and keep them with the New Mass and the Vatican II antipopes, etc. This should be a wake up call to us all about the gravity of the spiritual deception we are dealing with now.
Bayside Questions, Comments and Answers
Subject: Demonic Encounter with Bayside Relics
I would like to take a moment to explain my slight encounter with Bayside. About two years back or so my family stumbled upon an old gray box hid away in our garage (apparently put there by the first owners of this House) well anyway in the box there was what I believed to be some saintly Relics including St. Francis of Assisi some miraculous medals (some written in French some in Latin others in plain English a novena by St. Therese and some scapulars with some dried up petals attached to them. As we went through the box I stumbled upon a piece of yellow parchment which curiously also had dried flower pedals attached to it with the inscription "Blessed by our Lady of Bayside" But honestly I hadn't realized at the time that this was related to the Demonic illusion of Bayside, New York. My Mother being attracted by one of the scapulars (with the demonically blessed flower petal) casually placed the Relic blessed by Satan around her neck. The next few days my Mother fell under a deep sickness, Headaches to stomach-aches, could barely move, slight feverish behavior, with a strange suffocating feeling which seemed to give a depressive fog of discontent through the whole household. For about 3 days the sickness stayed the same. Oddly enough I was deciding whether I should put on one of the scapulars (this was before My Mother fell ill) but I couldn't seem to make up my mind whether or not to wear one. Well around noon that day I stumbled upon the Bayside apparitions portion of your book "Book: The Truth about What Really Happened to the Catholic Church after Vatican II." And I was really shocked and so I forced my Mother to take of the Scapular off and she immediately felt surprisingly better and so I disposed of the Demonically possessed Relics. May the Blessed Virgin Mary and St. Benedict Guide you and Protect you...
A Slave of Jesus in Mary,
Roy James Sandbank
Response: Any apparition which favors Vatican II or the Vatican II antipopes is proven by that fact alone to contradict Catholic teaching. It therefore cannot be from God.
A sign at Bayside, but not a sign from Heaven
Prophecy of Marie Julie Jahenny, Briton Stigmatist (1891): “During the time of the approach of the punishments announced at La Salette, an unlimited amount of false revelations will arise from Hell like a swarm of flies; a last attempt of Satan to choke and destroy the belief in the true revelations by false ones.”
Matthew 24:24-25: “Then if any man shall say to you: ‘Lo here is Christ, or there,’ do not believe him. For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Behold I have told it to you, before hand. If therefore they shall say to you: ‘Behold He is in the desert,’ go ye not out: ‘Behold He is in the closets,’ believe it not.”
Thanks to God and Our Lady I have finally got it into my thick skull the full truth about what has been happening to the Church. I obtained a copy of your Fatima DVD and it literally stabs straight into the heart of the devil and his illuminati plan to establish spiritual deception amongst the faithful and the world. Our Lady was right in saying the rosary will destroy heresy. It took my a while to actually come into the realisation that not only something was wrong with our local novus ordo "church", but it had to come from a higher authority. Ive been a novus ordo member my whole life. I started to come out of the darkness when i first found out about what trully went on on 9/11, and the erection of a new world order and how we have had history rewritten. I started questioning why the so called "churches" goal was only to talk of the cute and cuddly, while engaging in preaching the illuminaties solutions to the problems wich are presented. They didn't want to defend the truth or expose evil. Almost like George Orwells 1984, they engage in doublespeak by saying war is bad, but the prayers the "priests" offer in "mass" include "making sure our troops establish peace in a troubled world". Every time "mass" was over i grew increasingly mad about how brainwashed the novus ordo really is because they are preaching a lie that the troops are fighting for good. (through peace, destruction cometh). That was just part of it.
My local "priest" made an interesting statement and even quoted john xxiii saying that Our Father was indeed our mother as well! He even stated boldly that he would not deny a mormon "communion"! My quest to find the truth made me fall into the deception of bayside false apparitions and I actually started kneeling and reciveing desolate "communion" at the novus ordo because the demonic entity of bayside mixed truth with heresy. I have seen your material the past couple of years and would engage in double think for a while because i was always taught in the novus ordo that good willed people are saved even if they dont accept Jesus and while at the same time I would see benedict xvi praise a new world order with religious liberty. I recently decided that one side is false and if indeed we can be any religion we want according to vatican ii, why not be on the side who truelly understands the whole picture? I am now convinced that we are in an era of an empty chair and the abomination that maketh desolate and tramples the host under foot, who sitteth in the holy temple is now reigning in rome now. People who are novus ordo BETTER WAKE UP NOW FOR THE SAKE OF THEIR ETERNAL SOUL! I know hold to the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church. Thanks for the help Bros!...
[CONCERNING THE MESSAGE OF BAYSIDE]
Subject: YEAH OK
… OUR LADY OF THE ROSES SHRINE IS A FALSE APPARTION FROM THE DEVIL RIGHT ?
YEAH BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE THAT BRINGS THE PEOPLE TOGETHER FOR THREE HOURS ON EVERY CATHOLIC FEAST DAY TO PRAY THE ROSARY THATS ABOUT 12 ROSARIES ON EVERY FEAST DAY AS WELL AS EVERY SUNDAY THEY PRAY THE ROSARY FOR THE PRIEST FOR AN HOUR AT BAYSIDE ALL THEY DO IS PRAY THE ROSARY ON EVERY FEAST DAY AND ON SUNDAYS AND TAKE PHOTOS
SO YOU EITHER BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE ROSARY OR YOU DONT BELIEVE IN THE ROSARY AT ALL IF YOU THINK THE DEVIL CAN STILL DECIEVE PEOPLE WHILE THEY ARE PRAYING THE ROSARY
Response: You are so easily deceived. Do you not realize that Satan transforms himself into an angel of light?
2 Corinthians 11:14 “And no wonder: for Satan himself transformeth himself into an angel of light.”
The Bayside Message is false; we know that for sure. It contains heresies and lies. It teaches salvation outside the Church; it tells people to accept a heretical antipope; and it tells people to stay at the invalid New Mass. You obviously have no faith if you can see the evidence we’ve presented, that Bayside contradicts Catholic dogma, and still believe that it comes from God! That is blasphemy. You are believing that God and Our Lady lie to people and lead them into heresy. Of course Satan is going to tell people some true things in a false message which is meant to deceive people who pray the Rosary. The message is intended for conservative-minded people, to keep them in the Counter Church. The fact that it praises the Rosary proves nothing. Wake up!
BAYSIDE TEACHES THAT THERE ARE OTHER FAITHS IN HEAVEN
“Our Lady” of Bayside, August 14, 1979: “Do not judge your brothers and sisters who have not been converted. For My Father’s House, My Son has repeated over and over - remember always – that in My Father’s House, there are many rooms in the Mansion, signifying faiths and creeds.”
John 14:2 In my Father's house there are many mansions. If not, I would have told you: because I go to prepare a place for you.
If John 14:2 - doesn’t indicate faiths and creeds then, what does it indicate?
Response: It indicates different rewards for believers. It also signifies that Heaven is filled with accommodations for all of the true faithful who die in grace; in other words, it’s not as if there is limited room which would require any true believer (who dies in grace) to be shut out. Additionally, it’s in that very context that Jesus refutes the heretical misconception spread by Bayside and others. He emphasizes that there is no salvation outside of Him and His true faith.
John 14:6 “Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.”
The interpretation of Bayside, that John 14:2 is referring to other faiths, is a grossly heretical misconception. It’s gratuitous (i.e., it’s supported by nothing); it’s out of context (i.e., it’s refuted by the very words which follow in the chapter); and finally, it’s blatantly heretical (i.e., it’s condemned and denounced by numerous dogmatic definitions.) Notice how these dogmatic pronouncements declare that there is only one faith in Heaven. To deny that is to cease to be Catholic.
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.”
Pope Pius IV, Council of Trent, “Iniunctum nobis,” Nov. 13, 1565, ex cathedra: “This true Catholic faith, outside of which no one can be saved… I now profess and truly hold…”
Pope Benedict XIV, Nuper ad nos, March 16, 1743, Profession of Faith: “This faith of the Catholic Church, without which no one can be saved, and which of my own accord I now profess and truly hold…”
Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council I, Session 2, Profession of Faith, 1870, ex cathedra: “This true Catholic faith, outside of which none can be saved, which I now freely profess and truly hold…”
The recent Bayside letter concerning (John14:2- In my Father's house there are many mansions. If not, I would have told you: because I go to prepare a place for you) the false idea that there are other faiths in heaven ties in nicely with your recent video (He would not remove the cross). Exposing the VII's mockery attempt with JPII at the Inter-religious prayer meeting II at Assisi when JPII turned the many rooms of St. Francis Monastery into different rooms of worship for the many different false religions while removing the Crucifixes.
Looking at the aged old photos of the obvious anti-popes just "hanging out" with the leaders of the false religions, makes me think the world is a stage and these VII sect members are just bad actors. The show, "The little fib that turned into a huge lie that became the Vatican II sect reality."
As is the case in Bayside, there have been thousands deceived by the false apparitions at Megjugorje. My cousin’s wife is convinced after several visits there that the Virgin Mary was appearing. She was given all of your materials and has totally rejected the obvious truth about what transpired there as well as remains a practicing, false [Vatican II] Catholic. She is just another of many who have been given a false sense of security in the counterfeit church by the devil’s clever tricks. It is like these people have been hypnotized or are having their thinking altered by these false signs and lying wonders…
God bless your efforts,
Subject: The devil’s tricks
Hello Bros. I have protestant friend whom I have been trying to convert to the true faith. He recently spoke with a novus ordo who told him he went to Medjugoria and had "spiritual" experiences and had his rosary turn into gold. I know what to say about Medjugoria and I know that the rosary turning into gold is a clear sign of it being fake. But I do not know how to explain it. Can you tell us why the rosary turning into gold is a sign that it is from the devil? I can explain and show proof for the rest of the with my material or even yours that you have on the false apparition part of your site...
Response: It’s another example of how we are living through the deception foretold in Scripture.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12: “Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying. That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.”
You should explain to him that the message of Medjugorje contains heresies and blatantly contradicts divine revelation. Here are just tree examples:
A) "The Madonna always stresses that there is but one God and that people have enforced unnatural separation. One cannot truly believe, be a true Christian, if he does not respect other religions as well." ("The Apparitions of Our Lady of Medjugorje," Franciscan Herald Press, 1984.)
B) "The Madonna said that religions are separated in the earth, but the people of all religions are accepted by her Son." ("The Apparitions of Our Lady of Medjugorje," Franciscan Herald Press, 1984.)
C) Question: "Is the Blessed Mother calling all people to be Catholic?" Answer: "No. The Blessed Mother says all religions are dear to her and her Son." (Janice T. Connell, The Visions of the Children, The Apparitions of the Blessed Mother at Medjugorje, St. Martin's Press, August, 1992.)
This is total apostasy in the Message of Medjugorje. It is a rejection of Catholic dogma; it is a rejection of the dogma Outside the Catholic Church There is No Salvation; and it is a total rejection of the clear teaching of the Gospel on the necessity of believing in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, for salvation. This proves that Medjugorje, like the rest of the false modern apparitions (such as Bayside), is a deception of the Devil. Those who are aware of these facts and refuse to reject it as a false apparition are rejecting the Catholic Faith and will go to hell for their rejection of Jesus Christ.
Medjugorje therefore cannot come from God. If that doesn’t persuade him, then he doesn’t care about Catholic teaching at all and there is nothing else to say to him.
I'm come from 3 generations of people who believe Bayside's message. You are wrong with what is written. I agree with much of what you wrote on the web page. But Bayside promotes Latin Mass as the only true mass, and Vatican II being brought on by the freemasons who have infiltrated the Catholic church. My mom studied this. Bayside speaks against freemasons, Rockefeller. Veronica drew an image of the empire state building, with a line going into it. Yes, it wasn't the WTC, but after seeing the image, it made me think she's real. Also, I actually have received a picture when I visited Bayside. Are the beads of the rosary pointing up to heaven of the devil? It also had two blue lights on each side, Virgin Mary's color. Is that evil?
I hate when dates are set from prophecy than a proved to be wrong. But she's still human. And who said that maybe a freemason didn't put those dates out to make it seem like a joke. Maybe she was assuming a date?... I don't believe the whole Marian app. to be of the devil. My mom and I have prayed about it. You focused on only like 1% of what Bayside says. If I judged people that way, I wouldn't be friends with anyone.
Response: No, it’s clearly a false message which contains heresy against Catholic dogma. It also tells people to stay at the invalid New Mass, and it promotes the Vatican II antipopes. It also says true things to deceive people like you.
Dear MHFM [see Most Holy Family Monastery Exposed],
Concerning the Bayside lady - There are many folks I know who believe in the authenticity of this apparition - and NOTHING can convince them other wise. The visionaries themselves, (and the people who accept them as truth), lack the discernment to realize that they are being used. They assume a "divine power" gave them the gift - without ever thinking that something sinister could be the source behind their ability. Satan is very crafty and is indeed the biggest liar created [Satan was created good but fell though his own wickedness] - "the serpent was the most subtle beast in the field". But it stands to reason that Satan is shrewd and shifty enough that he will sometimes use a small piece of truthful information to build up a huge lie. Just shows us the depth of deception and how desensitized this generation has become to "all things" of evil - which will lead them to destructive, devastating consequences!!
[Subject: This is in reference to a post about a week back on heresy in the Bayside messages]
Christ gave Peter authority over His Church not the world. Popes have no justification to govern or dictate to the people of the world, only to members of the Church. Popes declaring that outside the Church there is no salvation can only pertain and be a concern for Catholics. A Catholic that falls out of grace is outside the Church and there in no salvation for those outside the Church as popes have declared.
Consider Limbo, a place where the souls of those not baptized and free of grievous sin go. Limbo is considered part of Heaven by the Church even though the souls in it were never a member. Just like the true believers are assigned to different rooms in the Father’s mansion. Is it inconceivable to think that the souls in Limbo might not have a room or two of their own in the mansion, although they may be on a different level.
I see no conflict for Catholics between Our Lady alleged words at Bayside, that there are those outside the Church of different faith in Heaven, and CATHOLICS believing the ex cathedra pronouncements of the popes that outside the Church there is no salvation.
Response: Bayside says that members of other faiths gain salvation. The Catholic Church defines the opposite. You see no conflict because you are a liar. The truth is not in you; it does not resonate with you. On the contrary, lies find comfort in your heart.
John 18:37 “For this was I born, and for this came I into the world; that I should give testimony to the truth. Every one that is of the truth, heareth my voice.”
Regarding limbo, the limbo for unbaptized children is not part of Heaven, but a separate part of Hell. This is confirmed by the Councils of Lyons II, Florence and Pius VI’s Auctorem fidei.
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Letentur coeli,” Sess. 6, July 6, 1439, ex cathedra: “We define also that… the souls of those who depart this life in actual mortal sin, or in original sin alone, go straightaway to hell, but to undergo punishments of different kinds.”
Pope Pius VI, Auctorem fidei, Aug. 28, 1794: “26. The doctrine which rejects as a Pelagian fable, that place of the lower regions (which the faithful generally designate by the name of the limbo of the children) in which the souls of those departing with the sole guilt of original sin are punished with the punishment of the condemned, exclusive of the punishment of fire, just as if, by this very fact, that these who remove the punishment of fire introduced that middle place and state free of guilt and of punishment between the kingdom of God and eternal damnation, such as that about which the Pelagians idly talk” – Condemned as false, rash, injurious to Catholic schools.
Here Pope Pius VI condemns the idea of some theologians that infants who die in original sin suffer the fires of Hell. At the same time, he confirms that these infants do go to a part of the lower regions (i.e., Hell) called the limbo of the children. They do not go to Heaven, but to a place in Hell where there is no fire. This is perfectly in accord with all of the other solemn definitions of the Church, which teach that infants who die without water baptism descend into Hell, but suffer a punishment different from those who die in mortal sin. Their punishment is eternal separation from God.
Pope Pius XI, Mit brennender Sorge (# 25), March 14, 1937: “‘Original sin’ is the hereditary but impersonal fault of Adam’s descendants, who have sinned in him (Rom. v. 12). It is the loss of grace, and therefore eternal life, together with a propensity to evil, which everybody must, with the assistance of grace, penance, resistance and moral effort, repress and conquer.”
You also have no understanding of dogmatic truth. A dogma is a truth of divine revelation. It was revealed by Christ and delivered to the Church. When pronouncing on such matters of faith, a pope is not making up laws as he goes along. So your comment about how popes don’t “dictate” to the world is completely off the mark. When they make a solemn pronouncement on a point of faith or morals, they are accurately repeating the truth that Christ revealed – and Christ’s truth does not only apply to Catholics, but the whole world! By rejecting it, you reject Christ, the Papacy and papal infallibility.
Subject: Bro Dimond- New Mass is valid
Bro Dimonds, see the comments below…
*It should be understood that Our Lady is merely expressing the horrid consequence of Satan's presence in the Vatican: the Holy Father is not a free agent and cannot do as he wills. Thus, we take serious Heaven's frequent exhortation to earnest prayer for the papacy and for the now reigning Vicar of Christ, John Paul II. Nevertheless, Our Lord's promise to be with His Church until the end remains intact. For despite this current debacle, Christ has preserved for the faithful the validity of the sacraments.
Response: No, it’s not valid. Bayside is a demonstrably false apparition of Satan. See this file:
A Catholic forms theological and doctrinal conclusions based on Catholic teaching, not alleged apparitions. Bayside promoted the Vatican II Church and the antipopes. That alone proves that it’s demonic. By resisting Catholic teaching and adhering to an alleged apparition instead, you receive not the love of the truth (2 Thess. 2:10) and fall for the Devil’s deception.
Sir, I have been concerned about my entrance into the Catholic Church as I am currently taking RCIA classes and am up for confirmation in a few days. The confusion started when I… viewed your video about the heresies of the Pope. I still felt that the call to be a Catholic was my path. However, I have since come across two Catholic documents that are in contrast with each other such as the Bayside Prophecies which states that the Masses are valid under all circumstances. Yet, today I just read a transcript of an exorcism in which a fallen angel gave a confession that due to Vatican II (such as you have stated) Masses will/are invalid as a consequence of their evil designs. And of course, this is not approved by the Vatican.
I am certain that my priest is a Modernist because he is knowledgeable of the debate, yet he backs the Vatican. I told him that the Bayside Prophecies state that Masses are valid, and yet this priest said that those prophecies were not approved by the Pope/Vatican. Do I need to seek a Tridentine Mass?... I know my priest will be uncomfortable if I wear a veil, take communion in my mouth while on my knees. I really don't want to go through all this formality, but if it is God's will, I will submit.
Thank you for your work and your time.
Response: Thanks for the interest. The New Mass is not Catholic and it is invalid. It must be avoided under pain of grave sin. That’s proven not by any apparition, but by the teaching of the Church. Please see this video and article on the New Mass: http://www.catholic-saints.net/new-mass-vs-traditional-mass/
You make reference to the Bayside Apparitions. Those apparitions are false. They are proven to be false by the heresies and false statements contained in them. Please see the article: The False Apparitions at Bayside, NY. You need to shift your focus from apparitions to the teaching of the past popes. That’s where you will find the truth of Christ and the infallible teachings of His one true Church, which are unchangeable. One can easily be led astray by false signs and wonders. Once convinced of the traditional positions, please see the file on our website which contains steps to convert to the traditional faith: The Steps to convert to the traditional Catholic faith and for those leaving the New Mass - Baptism and Conditional Baptism - the Council of Trent's Profession of Faith for Converts
We recommend that you pray the full Rosary each day. It’s necessary for your salvation to discontinue the RCIA classes and get out of that church you are going to. The classes and instruction at your current church will initiate you into the false Vatican II religion, not the true Catholic religion.
Subject: New Mass is valid according to Blessed Mother
MASS IS VALID
"Do not lose faith in My Mass. It is valid. Man may distort, but it is valid, I say! When a legally-ordained priest of the Roman Catholic Church conducts this Mass, it is valid, I say!" - Jesus, December 7, 1976…
DO NOT ABANDON
"... Do not abandon My Son's Churches throughout your world, My children. The Mass, the Holy Sacrifice, is still valid.
"Do not judge your Church, My children, by the standards of man, for a legally-ordained priest, a man who has been legally ordained, will be used by the Eternal Father, through the Spirit, to bring to you My Son, His Body and His Blood, which He is shedding in sorrow now for you!" - Our Lady, August 5, 1976
Response: No, those are not messages from the Blessed Mother. They are messages from the false apparitions of Bayside, NY. Those messages contain clear heresies. That fact proves that the messages did not come from Heaven or from our Blessed Mother, but from the Devil posing as her. Bayside was a false sign and wonder meant to deceive those who resist the truth of the traditional Catholic faith. It’s truly a mystery of iniquity why so many people choose to dismiss the revelation of Christ (the facts of which condemn the New Mass) and embrace false signs instead.
We have been visiting your website almost daily since we found it, very well done and Thank You. I was baptized in the Catholic Church when I was less than a year old but that was it, I feel fortunate that I am able to learn the true teachings of the church now. When I read the material on your website I feel as though I am receiving food for my soul and the more I read the more content I feel knowing that I am learning the truth, I have to admit I was following all kinds of heretical teachings mainly because of my ignorance to the Catholic dogmas and my lack of proper understanding in various areas of the Bible. Again we thank you and commend you for your perseverance in spreading the truth.
Also I have to tell you how I was originally introduced to Catholicism, because I had no religious training growing up, it was through the apparitions at Bayside in New York. Years later after they ended we went searching one day to see if anything had ever come from them, that is when we found your website, and after having visited a few times and putting two and two together everything started to make sense, we have been struck with awe ever since. We always thought something was wrong with those messages but did not have the true knowledge of Catholicism to know they were false.
We also bought your dvd’s and some of your books, when I watched the part about Hell that was enough for me that section made me realize how complacent I had become and how I was following heretical teachings, I am ashamed but also thankful to God that we were lead to your website. Thank you, your work is highly appreciated, never stop.